Did the King James Bible translators know they were putting together God's perfect and infallible words?
No, they probably did not. Do we always or even usually know how God might be using us? Of course not. God often uses people, both believers and non-believers, to carry out His purposes without them knowing it.
Did Joseph's brethren know they were being used of God to accomplish His purposes when they plotted against their brother and he was sold into Egypt as a slave? "But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Genesis 50:20.
Did king Nebuchadnezzar know that he was God's servant being used of God to carry out His purposes? (See Jeremiah 25:9; 27:6; 43:10)
Was the unbelieving high priest aware that God prophesied through him that Jesus would die for the nation of Israel and gather together the children of God that were scattered abroad? (See John 11:49-52)
Did Judas know that his betrayal was going to be a fulfillment of prophesy and that God was carrying out His eternal purpose through him? No, of course not.
Likewise did Cyrus know that he was the Lord's shepherd who would perform all His pleasure by decreeing that Jerusalem would be rebuilt, even though he did not know the LORD? (See Isaiah 44:28-45:1-5)
Or did Samson's parents know that they were being used of God when they helped their son get a Philistine wife? "But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines; for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel." (Judges 14:4.)
"The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water; he turneth it whithersoever he will." Proverbs 21:1
What may appear to the workings of the human mind as a natural course of events, as in the changing course of a river, is actually the directing hand of the sovereign God.
Were the KJB translators "Bible agnostics"?
A typical objection I hear from Christians who do not believe that any Bible in any language they can show us is the complete and inerrant words of God is this question which I have heard many times. One of the writes: “Since as far as I can tell I believe exactly the same way that Christians believed before the KJV came along, and since you consider me to be a "Bible agnostic", then do you also consider pre-1611 Christians to be "Bible agnostics" as well?"
To whom I responded: No, I would not call them Bible agnostics. They believed the Bibles they had and textually most of them in both the Old and New Testaments were far closer to the truth than modern versions like the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, Legacy Standard, Holman stuff.
The new versions are in fact the new Vatican Versions, especially the ESV. See the proof of this here -
Did the King James Bible translators themselves believe there was a perfect and infallible Bible before the King James Bible was made? No, otherwise they would not have done their translation work. As the King James Bible translators themselves wrote in their Preface: “Truly, good Christian reader, we never thought, from the beginning, that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one; but TO MAKE A GOOD ONE BETTER, or OUT OF MANY GOOD ONES ONE PRINCIPAL GOOD ONE, NOT JUSTLY TO BE EXCEPTED AGAINST that hath been our endeavour, that our mark."
The King James Translators also wrote: "Nothing is begun and perfected at the same time, and the later thoughts are the thoughts to be the wiser: so if we build upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labors, do endeavor to make better which they left so good...if they were alive would thank us...the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished."
The King James Bible believer is the only one today who consistently, historically and logically stands for the doctrinal truths that God has kept His promises to preserve His inspired words and that there really exists such a thing as a complete, inerrant and 100% true Holy Bible.
You can believe that the Bible you have is true and that makes you a Bible believer. It doesn't mean you actually have the perfect Bible, but you do believe what you have. The difference today is that people are coming right out and affirming that No Bible translation is perfect nor inspired nor inerrant. They openly admit, and even seem to think it a mark of deep spirituality, that they think all Bible translations have errors in them. There is a huge difference. If you cannot see the magnitude or significance of this difference (faith versus doubt), then there is little else I can tell you to convince you.
Related topics -
Ask any modern version user or King James Bible this question. Most refuse to answer it. See if you can get them to give you an honest answer. Most will not.
Is there ANY Bible in any language you can SHOW US - including “the” Greek and “the” Hebrew original languages - that you honestly believe is now or ever was the complete and inerrant (100% true) words of God?
IF Yes, can you give us a link to where we can see it and know what it says?
IF No, then are you honest enough to admit it?
Or if you just don’t know, that at least would be an honest answer.
Thank you.
The Bible Agnostic Test.
If you think you are not a Bible Agnostic (you don’t know for sure what God said) then are you willing to take the Bible Agnostic Test? Just pick one or two of these examples and let us know if you know which ones are the true words of God. Most bible agnostics refuse to take the test. How about you?
Here it is -
Where was the word of God before 1611 and where is it today?
Can a Translation be Inspired and Infallible? Seminarians and bible agnostics say No, but the Bible says Yes. Whom are you going to believe, God or unbelieving men?
God's Historic Witness to the Absolute Truth of The King James Holy Bible
Was there a perfect Bible before the King James Bible? or Does the King James Bible only position "blow up"?
Were the KJV translators "liars" for saying that "the very meanest [poorest] translation" is still "the word of God"?
Misusing the "Variety of Translations" quote -
Many modern version proponents tell us “No Fundamental Doctrines Are Changed”
But this is not true at all.
In direct contrast to the King James Bible, many modern versions teach the following false doctrines -
God can be DECEIVED by men (NASB, NET, Legacy Standard Bible)
ps7836deceivegod.htm
The Son of God had “ORIGINS from ancient times” (NIV, ESV, NET)
micah52heb211origin.htm
Satan controls the world (NIV, NASB, ESV, Holman, LSB)
satanorgodcontrols.htm
The KJB teaches that "Messiah (was) cut off, but NOT FOR HIMSELF”,
but versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB teach that “the anointed one shall be cut off AND SHALL HAVE NOTHING."
dan926messiahcutoff.htm
Jesus LIED about what he was going to do. (ESV, NASB, NIV)
john78didjesuslie.htm
There was a day when Jesus BECAME the Son of the Father (NIV, NET, Holman)
acts1333thisdaybegotte.htm
The KJB teaches - Revelation 13:8 KJB - "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (the beast) whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD."
But the ESV - (LSB, NASB, NET, Holman, Catholic St. Joseph, New Jerusalem bible) teach something quite different
- "and all who dwell on the earth will worship it, everyone WHOSE NAME HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IN THE BOOK OF LIFE of the Lamb that was slain."
rev138lambslain.htm
Many modern versions teach that the robe of RIGHTEOUSNESS in which the bride is clothed is made up of the RIGHTEOUS ACTS of the saints.
rev198finelinen.htm
Man can SPEED UP the coming of the day of God (NIV, ESV, LSB)
2peter312hastingunto.htm
Pride and Boasting are Christian virtues (ESV, NASB, NIV, NKJV, LSB) mvsprideasvirtue.htm
Ghosts do exist (NKJV, ESV, NASB, NIV)
ghosts.htm
We should have nothing to do with a DIVISIVE person, (and Jesus himself was divisive.)
hereticordivisive.htm
God does not take away life.(and yet he does)
2sam1414respectpersons.htm
The KJB teaches that idol worshippers are too SUPERSTITIOUS, but many modern versions say they are VERY RELIGIOUS. (NKJV, NIV, ESV, NASB, LSB)
acts1722superstitious.htm
There are different races of men and some races are MONGREL RACES races (NASB, NIV)
mvsandracism.htm
To see some other examples, go to
“For ye have perverted the words of the living God, of the LORD of hosts our God.” Jeremiah 23:36
fakebiblesdoctrine.htm
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8