Dave Hunt and the
King James Bible
A Bible Believers Response To Dave
Hunt's Criticism Of The King James Bible
By
Timothy S.
Morton
| Below is an excerpt of the Q&A column of the
October 1997 The Berean Call newsletter. The question appears
to be compiled from several different letters sent to Dave Hunt
concerning his inconsistent position on God's word and the King James
Bible. Mr. Hunt's "answer" follows (emphasis mine). |
Reader' s
Question:
I am concerned that you may be causing confusion for your readers
...where it concerns the Scriptures....On page 342 [A Woman Rides the
Beast] you stated...[that] the Bible contains all the doctrine,
correction, and instruction in righteousness that is needed....Then I
got the January 1997 issue of The Berean Call...[in which you say
there] "is an obvious mistake in the 1611 KJV, which has been
corrected by marginal note in current KJV editions....Mr. Hunt...please
tell me where I can find the "Scriptures...given by inspiration of
God...profitable for doctrine...[etc.]" when...you say the Bible
has a mistake....Is the Word of God so mistaken that God now has to
correct Himself in the marginal notes? I am getting weary. Every time I
turn around, somebody is correcting the Scriptures...somebody says it
has errors. What did God say if the Bible I have has errors...? Please
tell me, what Bible do you own that has no mistakes in it? Could
you tell me where I might be able to obtain a copy of the Scriptures
with no errors?
Hunt's Answer:
God's Word is "for ever.. .settled in heaven" (Ps
119:89) so you will find it there. You would also find it in
the original copies (were they available) written by men
inspired of the Holy Spirit to give us the Scriptures. God could have
preserved the originals, but chose not to for His own reasons. What we
now have are thousands of copies, most of them fragments of varying
sizes, made from copies of copies of copies of the originals. Copyists
do make some errors, no matter how careful they are. The errors are
generally very small and can be detected by comparing the many copies
we have with one another Even Gail Riplinger acknowledges, "It is
obvious that the Word of God in its perfect state does not reside in
any one of the ancient Greek manuscripts extant today" (New Age Bible
Versions, p 507). She implies (pp 510-11) that the translators of the
KJV were "inspired" of God to correct any defects so that in the KJV
alone we now have God's perfect Word exactly as it existed in the
originals. However, those who translated the 1611 KJV deny special
inspiration and even admit that there are some words of whose meaning
they are uncertain and that they consulted other translations in giving
us the KJV.
KJV-only
advocates make a major point that God's Word must have been "preserved"
here on earth. Yet that preservation was not in any single copy we have
ever found. If the KJV is it, then God's Word was not preserved in
perfect form until 1611—nor do the French, Spanish, Germans,
Russians, et al. have God's Word because they don't have the KJV unless
they can speak English.
The KJV is God's
Word. Though there may be a minor error here or there,
comparing other verses dealing with the same subject will make it quite
clear. There are different nuances and shades of meaning in every
language, so that for many words there are no exact equivalents
available to a translator. That the original Greek or Hebrew cannot (in
some places) be translated directly into Swahili or some obscure
primitive language does not mean that the translation those people have
is not God's Word.
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Below is a letter I wrote to Dave Hunt in
October 1997 in response to his pitiful and anemic "answer." Up to the
day this file was submitted, he has not replied.
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Dear Mr. Hunt:
After reading
your reply to the individual who asked you for a “copy of the
Scriptures with no errors” in the Oct. 97 Berean Call, I found
your reply was totally inadequate. You said nothing to remedy the
confusion you are causing in your publications concerning a
Christian’s final authority. There are many, many believers
(especially new converts) who are struggling with this issue. They are
constantly urged by their (supposedly) mature and seasoned mentors
(pastors, teachers, scholars, writers, etc.) to cling to the
“perfect,” “infallible,”
“inerrant,” “God-breathed,” Scriptures for
doctrine, instruction, correction, and absolute truth, yet when they
inquire as to where these inerrant Scriptures can be found they are
told they no longer exist or are only in heaven! When they inquire
further as to what is meant by the term “Scripture” they
enter into a convoluted maze of references to unavailable original
autographs, various families of Greek texts, a myriad of English
translations, diverse opinions and preferences, salesmanship, etc. etc.
which is all but guaranteed to leave them confused. Their mentors will
give them their “preferences” as to the “most
reliable” texts and translations but always with the reservation
that none of them is infallible. You have a share of responsibility for
this confusion, Mr. Hunt, since you can’t give a clear,
straight-forward answer to one who asks how he can obtain God’s
inerrant word. This is the most basic question any believer can ask:
how can one know for certain what God has said?
Since God is not
the author of this confusion (1 Cor. 14:33), it has always amazed me
how supposedly credible Christian “authorities” can sing
praises to the word of God (sometimes waving a Bible in the air) and
exalt it in every way and then not be able to produce the book they
are talking about. This is highly inconsistent and misleading. It
is not until a believer questions them more closely that he realizes
they reserve these praises only for the nonexistent autographs. They
reverence this fantasy Bible (as you know the autographs were never
compiled into one volume) near to idolatry. There is obviously a force
at work here other than the Lord to cause such irrational behavior. “Yea
hath God said.”
After studying
this issue for years I have concluded the mentality of many in
Fundamentalist scholarship is dominated by this unwarranted
“autograph fixation.” Instead of believing and trusting
God’s word as He has preserved and provided it, they wander about
like blind paleontologists looking for the nonexistent “missing
link.” They are searching for something God cast aside nearly
2000 years ago. This proves they are not following the “mind of
Christ.” They reverence and seek something God has no further
use for and abandoned (like the brazen serpent). This desire has so
affected their mentality and clouded their judgment that they reason
like evolutionists. When it is suggested to them that God’s
pure inerrant word may exist on earth in pure form in spite of the lost
autographs, they dismiss the thought as not possible because their
religion dictates “only the original autographs are inspired;
copies by their very nature cannot be.” When suggested to
evolutionists creation should be considered a possibility for the
universe and man’s existence, they dismiss it because their
religion insists “as improbable as evolution appears
mathematically and scientifically, the fact that we are here proves it
to be true; creation is out of the question.” Both groups with
their reasoning and rhetoric have trapped themselves into a
logic-tight belief system that rivals any cult, leaving
practically no room for escape. If an individual of either
group questioned or deviated from their respective groups
“established position,” it would instantly
“black-ball” him as “unorthodox” or even in the
“lunatic fringe.” The fear of ridicule and the stigma of
being branded “unscholarly” keeps them in check even when
many of them personally have reservations. Apparently, the esteem of
their peers is more valuable to them than the truth, and they are so
desperate to appear scholarly that they will use irrelevant,
illogical, and even emotional arguments to defend their
“historic position” and “keep in the fold.”
One argument,
which you use, is no text can be inerrant because all available
manuscripts are only copies. This is irrelevant and even
counterproductive since EVERY reference to “Scripture”
in the Bible is to a COPY and not an autograph. There is no one we
know of who believes the Bereans had the autographs. Neither did the
Jews in John 5, the Eunuch in Acts 8, Paul in Romans 4, or even Christ
in Luke 4. They all had copies, some of them likely many generations
from the autographs, yet the Holy Spirit called them
“Scripture.” When Paul says, “All scripture is given
by inspiration of God” (2 Tim. 3:16), he is NOT referring to
the autographs but to the “scriptures” (copies) Timothy had
(vs 15)! The autographs are not Scripture because they are
autographs but because they are Scripture! Unlike today’s
Fundamentalist “scholars,” the Bible makes no
distinction between autographs and copies. All of this autograph
hype is nothing but a satanic contrivance designed to cause a believer
to doubt the Bible he has.
By faith the NT
believers believed the Scriptures the Lord provided them (copies) and
treated them as the very (inerrant, etc.) words of God. Not once does
the Lord, Paul, the Bereans, or anyone else use the philosophical
argument you and others use today: that copies cannot be trusted as
pure Scripture, only the autographs are “inspired.” Such a
concept is a result of human reasoning, foreign to the Scriptures.
Another argument
you use is the AV translators claimed no “special
inspiration” for themselves or their work. First, the Bible
doesn’t claim “inspiration” for any person other than
God (Job 32:8, “inspiration of the Almighty,” Like you say,
Be a Berean). It says “All scripture is given by inspiration
of God,” that is, Scripture is given by God’s breath or
breathing. Where do any of the autograph writers (Moses—John)
claim to be “inspired”? Many Bible books don’t
even claim within themselves to be Scripture, let alone their writers
“inspired.” Where does Matthew (or Mark, or even Paul in
many of his epistles) claim his book is ONLY the pure words of God? Yet
they ARE the very words of God. It should be clear to any Bible reader
that God can use people without them knowing it, or at least without
them knowing the full ramifications of what He is doing with them.
Therefore, your suggestion that the KJB could not be
“inspired” or inerrant because the translators didn’t
claim inspiration is both invalid and irrelevant.
Furthermore, the
two major premises of those, like yourself, who deny the existence on
earth of an inerrant Bible are not scriptural. They contend (1)
that only the original autographs were inspired, inerrant, pure,
etc.—copies must be inferior; (2) that only the original
languages can convey God’s complete, pure word—translations
must be inferior. Another unscriptural argument you suggest is God
is obligated to provide His inerrant word in every language if He
provides it in one. All of these arguments are the result of
human (if not satanic) reasoning without any scriptural basis to
support them. The Scriptures do not even imply these arguments, on the
contrary they support the opposite.
(1) God has
promised to preserve His word in pure form for every generation on
earth (Psa. 12:6-7; Isa. 59:21). The Scriptures don’t even
hint God’s word has to be verbally and plenarily identical to the
autograph to remain pure. We showed above how the Bible says
copies can be “scripture.”
(2) There are many accounts of Scripture being translated in the Bible.
From Joseph speaking to his brothers in Egyptian (recorded in Hebrew)
to Paul speaking to the Jews in Hebrew (recorded in Greek), plus all
the Old Testament quotations (which are not verbally and plenarily
identical to the Hebrew, yet still Scripture). God’s word does
not have to loose its authority and purity by being translated. The
limitations you and others place on the preservation, inerrancy, and
availability of the Scriptures is nothing but human invention without
scriptural basis.
I have read your
material for years, Mr. Hunt, and agree with many of your conclusions
and observations, but I have been mystified as to why you
essentially ignore the obvious deficiencies, omissions, perversions
(Jer. 23:36), and New Age leaning of the modern translations. You
speak of “the seduction of Christianity” yet ignore the
seduction and weakening of sound doctrine in the modern translations
which greatly aids the satanic seduction of Christianity. You ably and
accurately warn about the dangers of Catholicism yet keep quiet the
fact that the modern translations are based on two Catholic Greek
texts (Vaticanus, from the Vatican; and Sinaticus, from a monastery),
their translators calling them “the best and most reliable
texts.” To return the favor to their Protestant friends, Rome
will tolerate and even recommend most of the modern translations, but
they have never held anything but the utmost hatred and contempt for
the Authorized Version since its publication. As a result today
Catholics and many Protestants have essentially the same
“Bible” (apart from the apocrypha), and you remain silent.
Worse than your
silence, though, is you quote (and by doing so recommend) one of
these corrupt versions in your book “The Seduction of
Christianity” (the corrupt NASV which says Christ is a
“begotten God,” Jn 1:18). Both the Catholics and
Jehovah’s Witnesses eagerly recommend this version over the King
James, it much more closely reads as their “Bibles.” No
wonder Christians are confused; their “leaders” send
confusing and conflicting signals.
I am sure you
have gathered by now I believe the Authorized King James Bible of 1611
(any edition) to be the pure word of God in the English language. I
didn’t always believe it, though. Everything I read after I got
saved told me it wasn’t pure and contained errors. This
“information” left me with no final authority except my
opinion of others opinion. After over a year of following this
mentality the Lord (some would say the Devil) began to show me the
fallacy of this position and how it was based on unbelief. When I put
these matters to prayerful consideration I began to find many
inconsistencies and irregularities among the KJV critics arguments:
(1) They could
not produce the Bible they professed to believe.
(2) No two of them could agree on the exact reading
of “the Greek text” let alone how each word should be
translated. (This is why there have been over 100 new translations
since 1885)
(3) They insisted the AV was laden with errors but none
of them could find all the errors.
(4) None of them believed an inerrant Bible could exist
on earth.
(5) They universally attacked the KJB, and all their
translations compare themselves with the KJB (apparently out of envy
and jealously).
(6) Even their “most reliable” translations
were not inerrant, thus not truly Bibles. (Is not God’s word by
definition inerrant and infallible, Psa. 19 7-14?)
(7) They favored the inconsistent and contradictory
Catholic Alexandrian Text over the Received Text of the Protestant
reformation.
(8) They ignore biblical principles of inspiration,
preservation, and translation in favor of their “logic” and
reasoning.
(9) They act as if God has no interest in preserving His
word since He gave it. They reason like practical atheists, treating
the Bible like any other book.
(10) They have no FINAL authority higher than their own
mind.
I believe the KJB
for much the same reasons I believe the 66 book canon. The Holy
Spirit led believers to accept and believe the correct Greek text
(Syrian) as well as the correct NT books (both Vaticanus and Sinaticus
contain the Apocrypha WITHIN the canon). I also believe it because God
has used it to further His cause and gospel more than any other Bible
in any other language, much more than the autographs. Who knew in 1611
English would today be a major world language (spoken by nearly 1
billion people). By His near exclusive use of the KJB for most of four
centuries, God has clearly “authorized” it to be His
standard Bible in English. One reason He has done so is it exalts
the Lord Jesus Christ to His rightful, predominate place—as God
Himself—more often and more clearly than any modern translation.
I believe it for the same reason NT believers believed the copies of
Scripture they had, they simply by faith trusted God to provide His
word as He promised and accepted the established copies that were
supplied them. God had been greatly using the KJB long before either of
us came on the scene, Mr. Hunt, and unless error is conclusively
PROVEN, it should be retained as His very word.
Furthermore, I believe the position we hold is the safest position a
believer could take. If we are wrong in believing the KJB is
God’s pure word in English then we will be judged for believing
the Bible He has so greatly used too much. But those who refuse to
believe it could be judged for faithlessness, infidelity, and for
spreading confusion and unbelief! To us the former position is much to
be preferred.
I believe the KJB
is God’s pure word without reservation. We treat it as
inerrant and infallible. Again, how else should a Christian treat
God’s word? For one to call a translation “God’s
Word” yet insist it contains errors is highly inconsistent and
even blasphemous. Unlike yourself, when we encounter passages we
don’t understand or seeming contradictions we don’t dismiss
them as translation or copyist errors and “correct” them
accordingly. That would make us our own final authority. Instead
of judging the Scriptures, we let them judge us. We contend God
preserved the Bible in the KJV in the manner He wants us to have it. We
don’t believe it must be identical to the autographs to be
Scripture (study Jer. ch. 36).
Finally, Mr.
Hunt, I have written a rather lengthy letter because I perceive you to
be a reasonable man who seeks God’s will. I may be wrong, but I
hope not. Nevertheless, can’t you see your inconsistencies? You
entreat your readers to be like the Bereans towards the Scriptures yet
in the same breath claim these Scriptures are not available. You say
the KJB is “God’s Word” and then say it has errors.
Can’t you see how this causes confusion? It is not
unreasonable for your readers to expect you to produce your tangible,
final authority.
In your book
“A Woman Rides The Beast” you have an excellent chapter
entitled “Sola Scriptura” detailing how the Roman Catholic
Church usurps scriptural authority, but the tragedy is if you replace
“Catholic,” “Rome,” “The Church,”
etc. with “Fundamentalist,” “scholars,”
“leading authorities,” etc. it would be nearly as accurate.
Neither group can produce what they profess to believe and appeal to
“the Church” or “scholarship” as the final
authority.
For the sake of
your readers and the gospel, Mr. Hunt, please come up with a more
consistent and biblical position. We believe the position you hold
now is a great wile Satan has conned on man. Instead of only trying to
physically take the Bible out of people’s hands by persecution, he
uses “logic” and “reason,” appealing to
man’s pride and (feeble) intellect to “reason” the
pure Scriptures out of his mind and heart. This leaves man as his
own final authority. Satan’s tactics have little changed since he
dealt with Eve, His suggestion “Ye shall be as gods,” is so
appealing to man’s conceited ego that man will often abandon
God’s life giving words for his own feeble opinion at the expense
of his own life.
- In
His Grace
- Timothy
S. Morton

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